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Until the May 2020 police killing of George Floyd and the mass uprising it sparked, most Americans knew little to nothing about Juneteenth. The name is short for June 19, the day in 1865 when enslaved African Americans in Texas were finally informed of the Emancipation Proclamation that ensured their freedom鈥攁lmost two and a half years after it was signed by President Abraham Lincoln.

In June 2021, President Joe Biden signed a declaring Juneteenth a federal holiday and calling it 鈥淎 day in which we remember the moral stain and terrible toll of slavery on our country鈥攚hat I鈥檝e long called America鈥檚 original sin.鈥�

This year, as Juneteenth falls on Father鈥檚 Day, cities around the country are marking the day with festivals, block parties, concerts, and more. But, as Biden said in his proclamation, slavery has left behind a 鈥渓ong legacy of systemic racism, inequality, and inhumanity,鈥� which the federal holiday and yearly celebrations do little to address.

To understand the history and significance of Juneteenth and what it will take to move beyond symbolism, YES! Racial Justice Editor Sonali Kolhatkar spoke with , distinguished university chair and professor of history and founding director of the Racial Justice Initiative at the University of St. Thomas. Williams is the author of Black Politics/White Power: Civil Rights, Black Power, and the Black Panthers in New Haven and Rethinking the Black Freedom Movement: American Social and Political Movements of the 20th Century.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Sonali Kolhatkar: African Americans have been celebrating Juneteenth for a very long time. How do you explain it to someone who may still be unfamiliar with it?

Yohuru Williams: Juneteenth really came into national consciousness in the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd. Floyd is murdered in May 2020, and Juneteenth is typically celebrated on June 19. So, the murder of George Floyd and the racial unrest that happened in the country coming in such close proximity to Juneteenth鈥攚ith so much emphasis at that time on longstanding issues with regard to police brutality and housing and the social determinants of health鈥攑ut a renewed focus on Juneteenth as a holiday, as part of this kind of racial reckoning.

What ended up happening, at least in 2020, is that it brought attention to a holiday which was very widely acknowledged and celebrated in the African American community. June 19, or Juneteenth as it鈥檚 called, is the day that slavery was officially abolished in Texas. It鈥檚 the result of [General] Gordon Granger鈥檚 , which basically extended the Emancipation Proclamation to Texas [in 1865].

The important thing to note about that is, often when people talk about emancipation, they talk about the end of the Civil War, and they tend to think about Lincoln鈥檚 Emancipation Proclamation ending slavery. And Lincoln issues that in January of 1863.

The reality is that the Union Army was the guarantor of the Emancipation Proclamation. And so, often what would happen is, the Emancipation Proclamation was basically ignored unless the Union Army came in and actively took steps to ensure that the slaves who were living in that area were freed.

That鈥檚 certainly what happens with Texas. And so, the reason it becomes kind of synonymous with Emancipation Day and emancipation celebrations is that Texas is the last holdout. It is, in some sense, seen as the last bastion [of slavery], and this is the last effort by the Union Army under Granger to free the slaves in that area.

So, it鈥檚 really Emancipation Day in Texas, but it鈥檚 been adopted by African American communities as a whole to symbolize the meaning of freedom for all African Americans in that moment.

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Kolhatkar: Do you think that it is a more appropriate day to celebrate American independence than July 4?

Williams: I think there鈥檚 room for both. A lot of people on the Fourth of July, they often read a document, a speech like Frederick Douglass鈥� 鈥溾�� in which Douglass ponders the meaning of the Fourth of July and a celebration of freedom for people who are held in human bondage, completely contrary to the values espoused by the founders in the Declaration of Independence and even in the preambles of the Constitution itself.

So now, if you celebrate both Juneteenth as Emancipation Day and then you celebrate the Fourth of July, it鈥檚 kind of completing this arc and telling the story about the paradox of American slavery and American freedom: a freedom that鈥檚 built on human bondage, on the inequality that鈥檚 imposed on, at the time of the Civil War, four and a half million African slaves.

We would like for this holiday to pivot around some deeper commitment to racial justice.

And then this idea of, 鈥淚f not reconciliation, at least evolution,鈥� that what you have in 1865, by virtue not of the Civil War, but by virtue of the 13th Amendment of the Constitution, is a new birth of freedom. In fact, more appropriately, it鈥檚 the 14th Amendment, which confers citizenship on the former freedmen, that becomes this kind of new baseline for freedom.

Kolhatkar: Let鈥檚 get into the disconnect between stated ideals and reality, which seems to be a constant tension in this country right [now]. We have stated ideals that we as a nation have not lived up to on racial justice. When President Biden made Juneteenth a federal holiday last year, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said, 鈥淲e must continue to work to ensure equal justice.鈥� So, they created a holiday but didn鈥檛 really give it any teeth beyond the fact that federal workers can take the day off. Why is that?

Williams: It鈥檚 appropriate in the sense that, like any other federal holiday, it鈥檚 dependent on whether it鈥檚 adopted by [all] employers, and so on and so forth. And you鈥檝e seen this kind of embrace of Juneteenth, particularly in the aftermath of George Floyd, that wasn鈥檛 there before鈥攖he federal holiday status is important.

There was some real concern in the African American community. And the same thing happened a few years back when there was this fight for [the] Martin Luther King Jr. holiday to commemorate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., that if the holiday is simply about people taking the day off, it doesn鈥檛 really commit anyone to active memory about why the holiday is significant鈥攗nlike the Fourth of July, where you鈥檙e celebrating, in some sense, the United States winning its independence from Great Britain.

What you鈥檙e talking about [regarding your question about Juneteenth] is the aftermath of the imposition of chattel slavery in the United States and the continuing lingering harm and trauma that鈥檚 been created by that.

And so, there are a lot who made the case that, 鈥淣o, we want the federal holiday, we appreciate that recognition of this as an emancipatory moment. At the same time, we would like for this holiday to pivot around some deeper commitment to racial justice, and to dismantling systemic racism and systemic injustice in ways that are meaningful, that will put some real meaning behind the language and the aspirational language of the Declaration of Independence so that it really applies to American society and culture.鈥�

And the only way that that鈥檒l be possible [is to have] real change, in the African American community in particular, around housing, education, access to places of public accommodation, dealing with issues associated with the social determinants of health. And for a lot of people right now, what鈥檚 most visible are the challenges associated with police brutality and the treatment of Black and Brown people in public spaces.

Kolhatkar: We also have resurgent violent White supremacy, as demonstrated by the , where a White supremacist killer targeted elderly Black people.

Williams: This is the interesting thing about our contemporary moment: If we think back to [the 2015 mass shooting in] and playing that forward to [the in] Georgia, and playing that forward to Buffalo this year, violence has always been the response to agitation on the part of African Americans, in particular, for civil rights, for change.

And so, this is something that we associate with moments like this in our history. In the aftermath of the Civil War, there was tremendous violence that took place in the South to try to deny African Americans the opportunity to enjoy the full fruits of their freedom. Certainly, during the civil rights movement, tremendous violence accompanied the push for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

We teach our history honestly. That鈥檚 when we鈥檙e in the best position to really evolve our democracy.

In fact, we associate with the passage of those two major pieces of legislation infamous murders, which really spurred the government to action in those moments, including the killing of Jimmie Lee Jackson and, in 1965, the and others on the Edmund Pettus Bridge that would become the impetus for [President Lyndon B.] Johnson signing the Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law. In our contemporary moment, we have so much legislation that still needs to be passed, so much conversation about the and dealing with that issue.

This feels a lot like the backlash that we tend to associate with periods like this in our history where there seems to be tremendous gain, but then there鈥檚鈥攁s Nina Simone famously put in her song 鈥溾�濃�攖hat results in this kind of rising tide of resentment and anger, which often results in violence.

Kolhatkar: Understanding what Juneteenth is requires learning history. This is your field, which is under attack from the right as part of its ongoing culture wars for at least the past two years. How have the attacks on critical race theory, and on history in general, made it harder for historians like yourself to explore Juneteenth?

Williams: Well, it鈥檚 made it really difficult, and it鈥檚 definitely part of the backlash. So, if we go back to 2017, for example, the big conversation nationally was around Confederate monuments, and that at its core is a question of history, contested history: this idea that the Confederate flag flying above state houses in the South is a symbol of Southern heritage rather than a symbol of White terror. And I think that the January 6 insurrection made clear when those rioters came to the Capitol bearing symbols of White supremacy, the noose and the Confederate flag, what that heritage, and what that history, is.

At the same time, there鈥檚 been this assault on the teaching of African American history, packaged under the propaganda [around what] critical race theory is, which has nothing to do with what鈥檚 taught in K-12 education. Critical race theory is a lens adopted by legal scholars that puts race at the center as a method of analysis for fundamentally asking about why, in spite of so much legislation in the 1960s, had there been no real substantive gains in conquering racial inequality in America. That鈥檚 not what鈥檚 taught in K-12 education.

As for myself, recently, I had an opportunity to go down to Florida after they canceled a professional development with a college professor and a teacher that was supposed to be on the teaching of the civil rights movement. And what the district officials found objectionable in the materials that had been put together for that professional development was that the teacher had included an image of Colin Kaepernick taking the knee alongside images of peaceful protesters from the civil rights movement. And I found that interesting, because how are you supposed to discuss the civil rights movement without talking about the strategies and tactics adopted by activists in that moment to raise consciousness about what was happening to African Americans in the United States at that time?

What we need in our country right now is a movement for social justice that鈥檚 sustainable and longitudinal.

I ended up, when I went down [to Florida], talking about another moment in our history, and that was the Challenger [disaster]. And the reason that I mentioned and thought it would be appropriate to talk about that with those teachers is, it鈥檚 something that happened in Florida, but it鈥檚 an interesting moment: If you were to look at the that was supposed to go up in 1986, that unfortunately exploded shortly after takeoff, it鈥檚 a portrait of America that really represents the America that I鈥檇 like to live in.

We often think about that moment because of Christa McAuliffe, the teacher in space. But Ellison Onizuka, a Japanese American, was part of that trip, [along] with two women: Christa McAuliffe and Judith Resnik, who was of Jewish ancestry. You鈥檝e got Ronald McNair, African American, man of color, descendant of sharecroppers [who were] enslaved.

That鈥檚 a portrait of America that we aspire to. But the only way that we can tell that as a story of triumph is if we honestly tell the story of the individuals there that day. The repression that African Americans in American history [faced], the repression that Asian Americans, particularly Japanese and Chinese Americans on the West Coast faced鈥攖he Japanese internment, the denial of their ability to own a home, and residential segregation鈥攖o the challenges that people of Jewish ancestry faced. So, we teach our history honestly. That鈥檚 when we鈥檙e in the best position to really evolve our democracy and republican form of government. We can鈥檛 do that by hiding our history.

In fact, one of the interesting things that I told those Florida educators is if they don鈥檛 believe me, they can quote the patron saint of conservatism, Ronald Reagan. After the Challenger went down, he had the unenviable task of addressing the American people that evening about what they saw. And in this very that鈥檚 crafted by Peggy Noonan, the president says鈥攁nd he鈥檚 trying to make this contrast between the U.S. and the Soviet Union at that time [paraphrasing]: 鈥淲e don鈥檛 hide things. We don鈥檛 run from our mistakes. We do it the way a democracy should do it, up front and in public.鈥�

鈥淭hat鈥檚 the way freedom is,鈥� he says, and I quote, 鈥渁nd we wouldn鈥檛 change it for a minute.鈥�

To those who try to argue that we shouldn鈥檛 be teaching difficult aspects of our history, talking about African American history, and want to decry that as critical race theory, allow me to quote [paraphrase] Ronald Reagan: 鈥淲e don鈥檛 hide from our history. We have to face it and take it on. That鈥檚 how democracy grows. We wouldn鈥檛 have it any other way.鈥�

Kolhatkar: What do you think that we need to be thinking about as a country when we celebrate Juneteenth this year? It鈥檚 been two years since George Floyd鈥檚 killing. The racial justice uprisings seemed to be a pivotal moment in the United States with unprecedented numbers鈥攎illions of Americans marching all over the country鈥攑olice brutality seemed to be laid bare. And then it sort of slipped away. The call to 鈥渄efund the police鈥� got ridiculed, and now we鈥檙e seeing Liberals and Democrats worried about supposedly rising crime rates, saying that 鈥淣o, we must continue to invest in police.鈥� It seems as though we had this moment of epiphany about racial justice two years ago, but it鈥檚 slipping away.

Williams: Well, and this is the difficult challenge ahead of us and the problem with Americans. I [want to] quote William Dean Howells鈥� famous advice to Edith Wharton as she was beginning her writing career, he said to her: 鈥淩ecognize that the American public always wants a tragedy with a happy ending.鈥�

Our narrative is always: We were in this place and then some piece of legislation or some charismatic leader came along and we changed for the better. And we don鈥檛 revisit the ugliness that proves that these are a lot of unfinished revolutions that we鈥檙e still dealing with in terms of our history and culture.

Certainly, that鈥檚 the case with Reconstruction: unfinished business. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments are insufficient to ensure absolute equality before the law for African Americans. And that鈥檚 why we find ourselves in the conundrum we find ourselves in today.

One could make the argument that it鈥檚 the same thing for the women鈥檚 rights movement. If the 19th Amendment had been so effective, we wouldn鈥檛 still be talking about ERA [the Equal Rights Amendment] and the challenges to hinder equality today. So, our desire for tragedy to have a happy ending, our desire to say, 鈥淵ou know, George Floyd was murdered, but look at all the change that鈥檚 happened since then,鈥� undermines our ability to do the deeper, substantive work necessary to make real change.

I鈥檒l give you a very good example. In the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd, in June of 2020, Al Sharpton came to Minneapolis and delivered a for Floyd in which he talked about 鈥渁 different time, and a different season.鈥� He said [paraphrasing], 鈥淲hen I looked out and I saw in some cases, young Whites outnumbering the Blacks marching, it was a different time, a different season.鈥� That鈥檚 a great narrative, and it certainly was true at that moment. But if it鈥檚 not sustainable, then the reality is, what it is, is a moment and not a movement.

What we need in our country right now is a movement for social justice that鈥檚 sustainable and longitudinal. And it can鈥檛 be about grand gestures like acknowledging Juneteenth as a holiday. It can鈥檛 be about statements that businesses and corporations put out, affirming their commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion. It can鈥檛 simply be about Facebook posts and social media activism.

It really has to be about taking on the deeper structural challenges that continue to create inequality and promote inequality in our society as a whole. And that鈥檚 not going to be a tragedy with a happy ending. That鈥檚 going to be a lot of hard work.